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		<title>By: LinxAudio</title>
		<link>http://www.kreativsounds.com/propellerhead-reason-4/comment-page-2/#comment-43412</link>
		<dc:creator>LinxAudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;43390&quot;]I haven&#039;t tried Record and probably won&#039;t. There are more interesting new products on the market, such as Presonus Studio One which seems far more advanced and functional for $150 less than the price of Record.

IMO Propellerheads are bringing too little to the table and far too late. No doubt they will always have their hard-core fan base but without innovative new products they are becoming increasingly less relevant in the audio market.[/quote]

Is the main issue the price of Propellorheads software, or do you think that as far as audio production goes, Reason and Record are inferior products (I appreciate that you haven&#039;t tried Record, neither have I for that matter, but I have Reason).
Just so you know, I&#039;m not here to have a dig at you as I see others have in many of the previous posts. I had a good read of this thread last night and was quite entertained (by your retorts!), but also curious about your view on Reason. For me, it was the first time I&#039;ve encountered a very unfavourable view regarding such a popular product.
I&#039;m still a bit of a novice (imho) in terms of my audio engineering knowledge, although i&#039;m fairly proficient with Reason, and that&#039;s mainly because I found it a straightforward interface to get on with. I&#039;ve been around people working with Cubase, but never quite got to grips with it myself, although lately I&#039;ve been able to produce some simple projects using it.
At the moment I&#039;m considering what DAW to purchase as I recently bought an iMac. Initially I was going to buy Record, but now seeing what has been mentioned on this thread i&#039;m in two minds as to whether to buy Logic instead.
I&#039;m going to check out this Presonus Studio One and see what that&#039;s about.</description>
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I haven&#8217;t tried Record and probably won&#8217;t. There are more interesting new products on the market, such as Presonus Studio One which seems far more advanced and functional for $150 less than the price of Record.</p>
<p>IMO Propellerheads are bringing too little to the table and far too late. No doubt they will always have their hard-core fan base but without innovative new products they are becoming increasingly less relevant in the audio market.</p>
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<p>Is the main issue the price of Propellorheads software, or do you think that as far as audio production goes, Reason and Record are inferior products (I appreciate that you haven&#8217;t tried Record, neither have I for that matter, but I have Reason).<br />
Just so you know, I&#8217;m not here to have a dig at you as I see others have in many of the previous posts. I had a good read of this thread last night and was quite entertained (by your retorts!), but also curious about your view on Reason. For me, it was the first time I&#8217;ve encountered a very unfavourable view regarding such a popular product.<br />
I&#8217;m still a bit of a novice (imho) in terms of my audio engineering knowledge, although i&#8217;m fairly proficient with Reason, and that&#8217;s mainly because I found it a straightforward interface to get on with. I&#8217;ve been around people working with Cubase, but never quite got to grips with it myself, although lately I&#8217;ve been able to produce some simple projects using it.<br />
At the moment I&#8217;m considering what DAW to purchase as I recently bought an iMac. Initially I was going to buy Record, but now seeing what has been mentioned on this thread i&#8217;m in two minds as to whether to buy Logic instead.<br />
I&#8217;m going to check out this Presonus Studio One and see what that&#8217;s about.</p>
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		<title>By: magnetik</title>
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		<dc:creator>magnetik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t tried Record and probably won&#039;t. There are more interesting new products on the market, such as Presonus Studio One which seems far more advanced and functional for $150 less than the price of Record.

IMO Propellerheads are bringing too little to the table and far too late. No doubt they will always have their hard-core fan base but without innovative new products they are becoming increasingly less relevant in the audio market.</description>
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<p>IMO Propellerheads are bringing too little to the table and far too late. No doubt they will always have their hard-core fan base but without innovative new products they are becoming increasingly less relevant in the audio market.</p>
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		<title>By: LinxAudio</title>
		<link>http://www.kreativsounds.com/propellerhead-reason-4/comment-page-2/#comment-43387</link>
		<dc:creator>LinxAudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose it&#039;s a bit late to join, but anyway...
Record is here now.
Any thoughts Magnetik?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose it&#8217;s a bit late to join, but anyway&#8230;<br />
Record is here now.<br />
Any thoughts Magnetik?</p>
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		<title>By: magnetik</title>
		<link>http://www.kreativsounds.com/propellerhead-reason-4/comment-page-2/#comment-40144</link>
		<dc:creator>magnetik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, you really can&#039;t compare a G4 with a recent Intel powered MacBook. Since you&#039;re clearly a Mac fan and are looking for a small form factor machine I&#039;d suggest you get a Mac mini and give GarageBand a go for your recording.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, you really can&#8217;t compare a G4 with a recent Intel powered MacBook. Since you&#8217;re clearly a Mac fan and are looking for a small form factor machine I&#8217;d suggest you get a Mac mini and give GarageBand a go for your recording.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.kreativsounds.com/propellerhead-reason-4/comment-page-2/#comment-40134</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thread&#039;s still going strong.  Quick post, here.

*raises hand* I am a user of Propellerhead Software&#039;s Reason 4 - started on 2.5 - and quite like it as a sort of &quot;integrated solution&quot; for track-making - at bare minimum, for foundation work.  I&#039;d use PTLE on top of this to record vocals/other instruments if necessary (-very- rare for me), but otherwise have become used to Reason&#039;s interface enough that it&#039;s my go-to app.

I&#039;d like to get Record, as it&#039;s the same familiar interface, and I can try throwing Pro Tools aside, but I&#039;d need an Intel box in order to run that app.  And, is it just me, or does Reason 4 run like a dog on the G4 compared to the Intel release?  Friend had an Intel Macbook (Black) with Reason 4 that ran the same project at around 50% on his laptop, whereas mine maxed out completely and stopped playing...

I -might- break down, build an inexpensive small-form-factor PC that I can stick into a rack with a couple outboard synths (Yamaha MOTIF-RACK &amp; Korg X3R) that I have... Not a huge Windows fan, but eh...

Mobile rig:

iBook G4 13&quot; 1.33GHz 768MB RAM, 250GB HDD (yeah, I shoehorned that drive in.. PITA)
Reason 4
Ableton Live 7 LE (crippled, non-Rewired version)
PTLE 7 w/ MBox mini
Shure SM58
AKG Perception 200
Audacity
Novation X-Station 25 (extra synth sounds &amp; controls)
M-Audio Radium61
Korg nano-series (pad and kontrol only)
Yamaha MG10/2 mixer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thread&#8217;s still going strong.  Quick post, here.</p>
<p>*raises hand* I am a user of Propellerhead Software&#8217;s Reason 4 &#8211; started on 2.5 &#8211; and quite like it as a sort of &#8220;integrated solution&#8221; for track-making &#8211; at bare minimum, for foundation work.  I&#8217;d use PTLE on top of this to record vocals/other instruments if necessary (-very- rare for me), but otherwise have become used to Reason&#8217;s interface enough that it&#8217;s my go-to app.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to get Record, as it&#8217;s the same familiar interface, and I can try throwing Pro Tools aside, but I&#8217;d need an Intel box in order to run that app.  And, is it just me, or does Reason 4 run like a dog on the G4 compared to the Intel release?  Friend had an Intel Macbook (Black) with Reason 4 that ran the same project at around 50% on his laptop, whereas mine maxed out completely and stopped playing&#8230;</p>
<p>I -might- break down, build an inexpensive small-form-factor PC that I can stick into a rack with a couple outboard synths (Yamaha MOTIF-RACK &amp; Korg X3R) that I have&#8230; Not a huge Windows fan, but eh&#8230;</p>
<p>Mobile rig:</p>
<p>iBook G4 13&#8243; 1.33GHz 768MB RAM, 250GB HDD (yeah, I shoehorned that drive in.. PITA)<br />
Reason 4<br />
Ableton Live 7 LE (crippled, non-Rewired version)<br />
PTLE 7 w/ MBox mini<br />
Shure SM58<br />
AKG Perception 200<br />
Audacity<br />
Novation X-Station 25 (extra synth sounds &amp; controls)<br />
M-Audio Radium61<br />
Korg nano-series (pad and kontrol only)<br />
Yamaha MG10/2 mixer</p>
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		<title>By: thals1992</title>
		<link>http://www.kreativsounds.com/propellerhead-reason-4/comment-page-2/#comment-39140</link>
		<dc:creator>thals1992</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been recently playing with reason now, and recently became a new beta tester for Propellerhead.  For about six months having a pirated copy of reason to be able to listen to my old doom midis remixed that took more than an hour to fully finish my remix.  After I went through the beta wait I got Record.   This app adds voice and Line 6 Devices to the game.  A few days ago, they have came out with beta 6.  There are three modes to use it.  One is demo; this is where you can make a song and do whatever you want with it, except open a song or export your song to WAV.  The second is online authorization, to get this you have to &quot;find&quot; a bug.  The third is their USB Dongle, which is unavailable at this moment. When I go to use online mode, it turns off the reason devices.  Because how great Reason 4 is with some one who hasn&#039;t even used a real mixer, or even something beside a Casio Keyboard who doesn&#039;t even have midi cables, I feel like actually buying reason with the money; I believe this is phenomenal.  I do feel bad for spreading a copy of Reason around to all my fellow students at Brookville High School, in the USA.  This app is easily understood to people who have never made music in their life or have only seen a keyboard.  If your are a young 16 year old that DOESN&#039;T UNDERSTAND ALL THE KNOBS, like me, this doesn&#039;t really matter for the song sounding crappy, because it will more than likely end up sounding like crap in some way after being converted to LOSSY AUDIO LIKE .MP3, .WMA, OR .M4V.  SINCE THESE ARE THE COMMON FORMATS, WE MUST CAVE TO THE POOR QUALITY.  

I don&#039;t have advanced equipment, except for my father&#039;s Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 (money is hard to come by.)  All I can usually use is an internal sound card in a laptop or a practically a shitty Turtle Beach Santa Cruz that oddly has drivers for Windows 95.  I often use Reason 4 and Record from my 16 GB SanDisk Cruzer, which oddly doesn&#039;t give my problems moving PC to PC, except that I need to install ASIO4ALL.  So in the end, I am only limited to my resources to use it on.  The only drawback using the flash drive is that I often need the original ISO when moving to another PC never used.  

P.S. Who ever said Reason doesn&#039;t work on slower PCs are WRONG!!!  I ran Reason 4 on an old P3 with 600 MHz.  The only drawback was that I was only able to test one device at a time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been recently playing with reason now, and recently became a new beta tester for Propellerhead.  For about six months having a pirated copy of reason to be able to listen to my old doom midis remixed that took more than an hour to fully finish my remix.  After I went through the beta wait I got Record.   This app adds voice and Line 6 Devices to the game.  A few days ago, they have came out with beta 6.  There are three modes to use it.  One is demo; this is where you can make a song and do whatever you want with it, except open a song or export your song to WAV.  The second is online authorization, to get this you have to &#8220;find&#8221; a bug.  The third is their USB Dongle, which is unavailable at this moment. When I go to use online mode, it turns off the reason devices.  Because how great Reason 4 is with some one who hasn&#8217;t even used a real mixer, or even something beside a Casio Keyboard who doesn&#8217;t even have midi cables, I feel like actually buying reason with the money; I believe this is phenomenal.  I do feel bad for spreading a copy of Reason around to all my fellow students at Brookville High School, in the USA.  This app is easily understood to people who have never made music in their life or have only seen a keyboard.  If your are a young 16 year old that DOESN&#8217;T UNDERSTAND ALL THE KNOBS, like me, this doesn&#8217;t really matter for the song sounding crappy, because it will more than likely end up sounding like crap in some way after being converted to LOSSY AUDIO LIKE .MP3, .WMA, OR .M4V.  SINCE THESE ARE THE COMMON FORMATS, WE MUST CAVE TO THE POOR QUALITY.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have advanced equipment, except for my father&#8217;s Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2 (money is hard to come by.)  All I can usually use is an internal sound card in a laptop or a practically a shitty Turtle Beach Santa Cruz that oddly has drivers for Windows 95.  I often use Reason 4 and Record from my 16 GB SanDisk Cruzer, which oddly doesn&#8217;t give my problems moving PC to PC, except that I need to install ASIO4ALL.  So in the end, I am only limited to my resources to use it on.  The only drawback using the flash drive is that I often need the original ISO when moving to another PC never used.  </p>
<p>P.S. Who ever said Reason doesn&#8217;t work on slower PCs are WRONG!!!  I ran Reason 4 on an old P3 with 600 MHz.  The only drawback was that I was only able to test one device at a time.</p>
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		<title>By: ShadowRaven124</title>
		<link>http://www.kreativsounds.com/propellerhead-reason-4/comment-page-2/#comment-38445</link>
		<dc:creator>ShadowRaven124</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemon,

I&#039;ll answer this in reverse order...  When using a midi controller, there will always be a degree of latency, the question is how noticeable will it be.  Latency is measured in milliseconds.  Personally I can maintain a great deal of accuracy at 10.3ms, even at fast tempos, but ideally you want to get down to as low as you can, somewhere betwen 1ms to 6ms.

Latency is determined by your audio interface, not the MIDI controller.  To adjust latecny, check your buffer settings on your audio interface.  Buffer settings are measured in Samples. The more of a buffer you use, the higher the latency, but better CPU performance.  Conversely, the smaller buffer you use the lower the latency.  Ideally you&#039;ll want to set the buffer around 128 or 256 samples for the least latency.  However, low latency requires a fast CPU and a decent amount of RAM.  If you notice dropouts and noise during playback, you will have to increase your buffer to a size your computer can handle.  Unfortunately that can mean that you may not have a desireable latency on an older computer no matter what you do.

One more note about latency is the drivers you use.  Most everyone use ASIO (audio stream input/output) drivers if you&#039;re using a PC because it is desigined to offer low latency.  Windows Driver Model (WDM) drivers are a bit more stable than ASIO but has a higher latency.  Windows PCs also have Kernel Driver Model (KDM) which is god awful slow and should never be used for audio production if you have a choice.  If you use a Mac it is a bit simple, they use a format called Audio Units (AU) which is built into OSX and is about as fast as ASIO.

Regarding your first question, I&#039;m not sure what you mean.  Clipping is a bad thing -- that means you overloaded your input, which causes distortion.  I&#039;m going to assume you meant mastering.  That is a whole beast in of itself, so I recommend putting an M Class Mastering Suite above you mixer so that it automatically routes to all the tracks below it.  Play around with the presets and see what they do. []</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemon,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll answer this in reverse order&#8230;  When using a midi controller, there will always be a degree of latency, the question is how noticeable will it be.  Latency is measured in milliseconds.  Personally I can maintain a great deal of accuracy at 10.3ms, even at fast tempos, but ideally you want to get down to as low as you can, somewhere betwen 1ms to 6ms.</p>
<p>Latency is determined by your audio interface, not the MIDI controller.  To adjust latecny, check your buffer settings on your audio interface.  Buffer settings are measured in Samples. The more of a buffer you use, the higher the latency, but better CPU performance.  Conversely, the smaller buffer you use the lower the latency.  Ideally you&#8217;ll want to set the buffer around 128 or 256 samples for the least latency.  However, low latency requires a fast CPU and a decent amount of RAM.  If you notice dropouts and noise during playback, you will have to increase your buffer to a size your computer can handle.  Unfortunately that can mean that you may not have a desireable latency on an older computer no matter what you do.</p>
<p>One more note about latency is the drivers you use.  Most everyone use ASIO (audio stream input/output) drivers if you&#8217;re using a PC because it is desigined to offer low latency.  Windows Driver Model (WDM) drivers are a bit more stable than ASIO but has a higher latency.  Windows PCs also have Kernel Driver Model (KDM) which is god awful slow and should never be used for audio production if you have a choice.  If you use a Mac it is a bit simple, they use a format called Audio Units (AU) which is built into OSX and is about as fast as ASIO.</p>
<p>Regarding your first question, I&#8217;m not sure what you mean.  Clipping is a bad thing &#8212; that means you overloaded your input, which causes distortion.  I&#8217;m going to assume you meant mastering.  That is a whole beast in of itself, so I recommend putting an M Class Mastering Suite above you mixer so that it automatically routes to all the tracks below it.  Play around with the presets and see what they do. []</p>
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		<title>By: lemon(bali)</title>
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		<dc:creator>lemon(bali)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m just wondering...how can make a very good songs clip...i realized the sound is very fantastic...but i have to learn it always...and i wanna ask...hwo if i make a song with a midi controller,without a latency?..thx b4</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m just wondering&#8230;how can make a very good songs clip&#8230;i realized the sound is very fantastic&#8230;but i have to learn it always&#8230;and i wanna ask&#8230;hwo if i make a song with a midi controller,without a latency?..thx b4</p>
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		<title>By: vizulefllry</title>
		<link>http://www.kreativsounds.com/propellerhead-reason-4/comment-page-2/#comment-38223</link>
		<dc:creator>vizulefllry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 20:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;&quot;][...] wow, what a bunch of whining little fags. [...][/quote]

sukmyrokit has a point. However he still gets the complete douchebag award.  Grow up and stop talking like a 19 year old wigger or hoodie as you probably are referred to.  &quot;beating your button mushroom&quot; I mean seriously, are you retarded? &quot;im going to bed now to ave it lage withmy bird&quot; I guess that means you are going to go have sex?  Based on how intelligent you seem in your post, I bet she&#039;s a real catch. I think maybe you should get some manners and stop posting stupid rants on websites.  Maybe, possibly, you wouldn&#039;t look like such fool.

Have fun playing with your ripped copy of Reason.  I&#039;m sure we will be seeing you hit the top of the charts since you mastered music2000, whatever that is.

PS I&#039;m cool because I buy software because I&#039;m not poor.
PPS dont bother responding, because uh I&#039;m heading out to do something mundane that no one really cares about.</description>
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[...] wow, what a bunch of whining little fags. [...]</p>
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<p>sukmyrokit has a point. However he still gets the complete douchebag award.  Grow up and stop talking like a 19 year old wigger or hoodie as you probably are referred to.  &#8220;beating your button mushroom&#8221; I mean seriously, are you retarded? &#8220;im going to bed now to ave it lage withmy bird&#8221; I guess that means you are going to go have sex?  Based on how intelligent you seem in your post, I bet she&#8217;s a real catch. I think maybe you should get some manners and stop posting stupid rants on websites.  Maybe, possibly, you wouldn&#8217;t look like such fool.</p>
<p>Have fun playing with your ripped copy of Reason.  I&#8217;m sure we will be seeing you hit the top of the charts since you mastered music2000, whatever that is.</p>
<p>PS I&#8217;m cool because I buy software because I&#8217;m not poor.<br />
PPS dont bother responding, because uh I&#8217;m heading out to do something mundane that no one really cares about.</p>
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		<title>By: magnetik</title>
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		<dc:creator>magnetik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 20:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sukmyrokit:

Wow, you really are full of presumptions, and quite full of yourself for someone who&#039;s taken 10 years to learn half the features of Music2000. Come back when you&#039;ve matured a bit and have grown up enough to take part in an adult discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sukmyrokit:</p>
<p>Wow, you really are full of presumptions, and quite full of yourself for someone who&#8217;s taken 10 years to learn half the features of Music2000. Come back when you&#8217;ve matured a bit and have grown up enough to take part in an adult discussion.</p>
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